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Feeding Frenzy? Buyers Looking for a Below-Market "Deal"

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Vulture: 1. Bird of Prey found in Africa, Eurasia, and the Americas. It has dark plumage and broad wings and feeds on carrion. 2. Predator – somebody who waits or looks eagerly for opportunities to take advantage of somebody else, especially somebody weak or helpless.

In either definition it appears they are starting to circle. They, being a certain segment of the current buyer population who are seeking the Holy Grail, defined in this case as a property, any property, that can be had for 10-20% or more below current market value. This after the market value for many of these properties has already fallen 5-15% over the past two years.

A recent conversation with one of my “investor” clients who I have been spending too much time with over the past year went something like this:

Client: “Find me a property that’s 10-20% below market!”
Me: “Again?”

Been there, done that! Several times, already. They didn’t bite on any of the five or ten they could have had. Whatever I find for them is not good enough. It’s not enough to maim the seller. They want to pour salt in the wounds and hear them scream before the burial.

This same client also asked me to evaluate all of the 120+ homes that recently went to a well-publicized auction here in San Diego and pick five for them to see. No problem! I have a little free time on my hands this afternoon. In case I wasn’t already eagerly on board, they reminded me that I stood to make 1% by representing?them at the auction. Hopefully, I might be able to squeeze in a little trip to the BMW dealer on my way.

You may remember this auction as it was well documented in the San Diego Union. The most memorable comments from attendee’s of the auction were along the lines of, “I got caught up in all the hype and I think I paid too much!” or “There were one or two good deals, but for the most part the homes sold for too much”. I suggested that what they were asking of me was a bit overwhelming, and warned them that it’s really a place for the pros who do it for a living. Bottom line: They attended the auction alone, they didn’t bite (again), and I didn’t waste more of my time evaluating 120 properties that I knew they wouldn’t buy.

The message? It’s tough to find the bottom; the bottom of the market, that is. But that’s what some are trying for. No, they are not just trying for the bottom, but below the bottom of the market. And we aren’t talking about pure investors here – These are folks looking for a property for personal enjoyment.

Actually, my clients are nice people, but they have succumbed to a trait that is ordinarily not in their nature – greed. The Vultures are out in force now, but few will succeed. I have seen it. Their common sense is too blurred by the frenzy of the possibility of a kill, so much so that they miss many great meals, seeking the five-course Holy Grail.

Speaking of… You may remember the Black Night in the classic movie Monty Python & the Holy Grail. That’s the dude who gets his arm cut off by Arthur, then another, then both legs. What remains of his torso is sitting on the ground. Arthur (read “Buyer”) says something along the lines of, “You can’t hurt me. You’ve no arms or legs.”, whereupon the Black Knight, now only a torso with a head says, “It’s just a flesh wound. I’ll bite you to death!” That’s the seller, hanging tough.

They try to beat up the seller. Lots of brain damage to the?buyer and the agent(s) and, usually, nothing to show for it. Firing blanks is not a career I want to be in nor does it do any favors for my clients, unless they just want to spend an extraordinary amount of time with me. Kris can attest to the fact that one might be considered “lacking capacity” for wanting that.

Don’t get me wrong. Kris and I have had great success on behalf of our buyer clients over the past two years. We love a great deal and work hard to get it. But at some point, reality has to kick in if you want a chance for success. Fortunately, most buyers recognize a decent deal when they see one, hence the tens of thousands of successful transactions in San Diego over the past two years. No, it’s not a perfect market as is obvious by the short sales and foreclosures we now see, but they are a relatively small number when compared with the total and in my opinion will be filtered through the system in the next 12-16 months.

Vultures have a place in this world and in this market, but a small, very small one. Try being a predator and you might find yourself searching for, but never finding, the Holy Grail. It could be a long time without a satisfying meal.

Steve Berg

Steve Berg is Broker/Owner of San Diego Castles Realty. He is an awesome agent and an all-around great guy. When he is not dazzling clients, he contributes the occasional article here.

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  • http://sandiegohomeblog.com Kris Berg

    What did the flight attendant say to the vulture? You will have to check your carrion. (Sorry, I couldn’t resist).

  • Jim Franchises

    Just the bear cycle, nothing new if you follow cycles. Being a Real Estate Clerk will suck for the next 8 yrs. (if you dont think it already does). Smart money has left the table and the bond market is crashing. good luck.

  • Jim Franchises

    ps. I will help ya out…the bottom is fall 2010 per the 5.5yr peak to trough pattern. Maybe a bit later as this was the biggest boom ever.

  • dommidge

    Jim, I think Steve was saying the smart money hasn’t left the table. It there, but it just wants to buy at a level that will insulate them from the slide that will most likely occur in the near term. 30% off peak is probably quite a sensible bet, and certainly more sensible than paying asking (wishing) price. Nobody knows what the future holds, not NAR, not you nor me. You just pay your money and take your chances & its a bit too risky to buy at current levels for my taste. Maybe I will miss out on potential gain, but at least I wont lose my shirt.

    I do have to tak my hat off to the Bergs for letting you post all the time. There is an honesty there that I thought most Realtors were lacking.

  • http://www.sandiegohomeblog.com Steve Berg

    Aside from Kris’ warped sense of humor, I appreciate your comments dommidge. We do not moderate unless Jim, Ponch or anyone else gets too personal or obnoxious. We certainly don’t mind opposing views and welcome the discussion.

    You’re also correct that none of us knows for sure what the future will bring. Not all cycles share identical or even similar characteristics. The last down cycle had higher interest rates and an economic recession at the same time. These days it’s primarily prices (yes, Jim, affordability) that went too high too fast and very loose financing. Demand remains strong, just not as strong at these prices. As values moderate more buyers are coming off the sidelines. And remember, too, that many buyers today are not of the short term/flip for profit mentality. They are buying because they want to and they have all the same information you and Jim and I have. Most buy with the knowledge and intent of staying and enjoying their home for the right reasons.

    At this moment, Kris and I are working with six buyer clients (not investor types), but all intelligent people who know exactly what they are getting into. Sure they would like to buy for less, but it’s finding the correct home for their needs that is their highest priority and as soon as we find those homes, these buyers are ready to pull the trigger. It’s not a matter of right and wrong, it’s a matter of wants, needs and timing.

  • dommidge

    Yes, I think I & others constantly underestimate the allure of homeownership whatever the cost. It’s something that is expected of people and is right up there with getting married and having kids as aspirations most people share. Right now its too risky for me, but good luck to anyone who is feeling lucky and can afford it.

  • http://www.SanDiegoCastles.com Steve Berg

    dommidge – Patience is, indeed, a virtue. Don’t buy until you’re ready and comfortable. Your time will come and you will enjoy it just as much, if not more.

  • http://www.eagleblog.com Phil Hoover

    Geez, doesn’t ANYONE get it????
    You buy a home to live in ~ it isn’t your personal ATM!
    The problem is that everyone seems to think that they are entitled to get rich from owning their home!
    It’s not all bad if you live in it for 30 years, make your payments, and end up with it paid for, is it?

  • http://realtorwives.com Austin Realtor’s Wife

    Steve, your note of “finding the bottom” that you’ve spoken about before is well received. This concept is a part of any business that doesn’t have a bottom (well, there’s always $0).

    The problem with the vultures is greed. There are a LOT of greedy people out there (on every side of the deal) and it sucks. In RE there is no bottom, nor will there be, but it SHOULD be highlighted as that grey area that people might not want to join you in. Great article, Steve!

  • Rebecca

    Hey Steve,
    Nice picture of the Black Knight. All the bloody limbs really add a nice touch to your post. :)

  • http://www.SanDiegoCastles.com Steve Berg

    Phil – Great reality check. I can’t tell you how many times I have stated (on this blog and directly to buyer clients) the importance of buying a home for the right reason, which, as you so eloquently put it, is not with the expectation of it being their personal ATM. Thanks!!

    ARW – You’re right. Greed is all consuming and distorts reality. BTW, I recently tried commenting on your blog and was rejected :-( . Have I been “moderated”?

    Rebecca – How are you?? I actually had another even better picture, but Kris (the Editor) substituted the one posted. BTW we are overdue for H-Hour!!

    Bottom line, there are many deals out there to be had for someone who wants to buy and live in a home for the right reasons, which among other things (not the least of which is the daily enjoyment of it), includes long term equity growth. If you are an investor trying to flip a deal, unless you are really good and really lucky, you may want to hold off.

  • kc

    Yo Phil, this is not Idaho, its San Diego where 500K can get you a decent townhome or a very small house. The rent to mortgage ratio is out of whack in SD. Go to sdcia.com, the real estate investors in San Diego have pulled out and are waiting to reinvest when the market shakes out. The people who actually want to buy a home to live in are realizing that even owning a home in a bubble market is a risky move. Remember, only 5% of the SD population can actaully quaify for a median prices home here. Does that make sense to you?

  • kc

    Phil: Also Steve and Kris specialize in Scripps Ranch, a very cool area near a nice lake. My brother rents there (he sold his house in the Mira Mesa area a few years back). He pays $2500 a month for a house that would be listed for about 700K. I think you can do the math. He had about 125K from the sale of his Mira Mesa house so his total financed would have been about 575K to own (thats if he put it all down). I told him to rent and invest the money in other things. They LOVE Scripps but to actually pay principal on a 30 year loan his mortgage would be about 3500 (with property taxes). Now he makes about 100K (not a bad salary, right?) and his lovely wife works part time rasing my 2 nephews. Like I said do the math (yes, with the tax benefits, still doesnt compute). What does ahousehold income of 130K buy in Idaho? But, yes its Idaho!

    So Steve is right, there are people that have the 300K or more down. But, as the entry level market dries up the whole house of cards may tumble. Like I said, we are not in Idaho. Drove through Boise a few years back, intersting place. But you can get a decent home there for what, 175K? So you see, the market is a little more complicated here. Can you understand why people are nervous here? See the risk in “owning your home” in SD?

  • kc

    Ooops, typo, the mortgage would be $4500 a month with taxes.

  • http://pacificbeachbubble.blogspot.com Sven

    Just give it time. During the last real estate crash in San Diego during the early nineties, I heard anecdotal stories of condos that were purchased for $210k and sold for $90k 4 years later. That’s a drop of over 50%, and the % (or the $ amount) of the up cycle in the 90′s was not nearly as much as the one we had from 2000-2005.

    Personally, I see anyone who wants to buy now as just being impatient. Our average monthly sales volume this year so far was about 2177 homes per month. Since December of last year, our inventory has grown to 19,480 homes on the market. (with a steady increase every month of ~1000 homes) This equates to about 9 months of inventory in San Diego and growing.

    Add in that we are just barely moving into the payment shock that everyone will be experiencing. (see graph http://www.belowthecrowd.com/photos/ackman.jpg) Which will very likely cause even higher rates of foreclosure as people will commonly see mortgage payment increases from 10-50%.

    (for note on reading the graph, IO expirations are where the interest only portion of your loan expires and you are required to make principal payments on top of the interest. First rate adjustments are where customers lose their introductory or initial fixed rate and are reset to the prevailing rate usually at a rapid pace)

    (past performance doesn’t indicate future results)

  • Jim Franchises

    Uhhhg! Mosty of you are all avoiding the facts on cylces in CA. Sure you can buy now or you can buy in 2010 for less. Sure, not everyone is smart with their money. I bought at the last peak 1989, i know the story very well. Sven has it right. Good luck with your investments.

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